should i join the navy?

MetaQuota · Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 7:45 pm Post subject: should i join the navy?

it's not who i am at all, but the benefits.. i don't know, there's lots of factors.
i'm looking at possibly going into the us navy as a nuclear engineering officer,
possibly living on a submarine, only for like five years, eight max.
it probably would do me some good to go through basic training,
but i imagine i'd need to be strong-willed enough to resist their mind control..
would negative energies like to hang around that sort of stuff?
it seems to me that most military personell are basically whoring themselves out for the money. BUT it is a LOT of money and i do solemnly swear to use that fundage for Good, to heal the planet in whatever way that i can. I don't know, i mean i'm about as far from militant as you could imagine, i'm a peace loving guy, i'm open minded, i believe in bigger things outside what we supposedly "know." And so on. I mean, i'm on this site, ya know? By the way i know i haven't spoken up much, just been lurking on and off when i get time between school things. it just seems like i can either join the navy and follow orders and be under pressure for a little under a decade, OR i can get my foot in some door out there in good ol' corporate america. i'm at a strange crossroads here, i'm about halfway through junior year in undergraduate physics.. i don't know, any input would be appreciated, and i'm sorry if this topic is Ultra-out-of-place. Love you guys.

Edit: I know how stupid I sound, I feel really confused because the military is everything i'm not, and everything this site is against, but somehow i've been lead to believe it might be a good decision. Help a brother out.

avalanche19 · Joined: 06 Sep 2009 Posts: 24 Location: over yonder

I think you answered the question for yourself, you said "it is everything I am not" seems that someone could not be happy in that environment. Just my opinion.

Cosmic Sage · Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 10:56 pm Post subject:

Go with your intuition on it man. You may be surprised where the Navy is at in a few years though. Lots of changes coming in the next few years I feel. I personally would'nt want to be commited and stuck in such an institution during the coming years. Many social,economic,ecological,and consciousness shifts are coming soon man.
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clipper · Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 6:17 am Post subject:

N - O - !
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NepiPemi · Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 7:49 pm Post subject:

I hear from recent veterans and employees of contractors that if one wants to make money, then work for a contractor. A person can make a good sum that way. My friend gave up 4 yrs to the army in an engineers unit and was promised he would not be sent to Iraq. He was TDY'd from Germany to Iraq. He came home with no savings and an injury and 3 botched surgeries with no effective help from the VA clinics. He is getting a college education however thru the GI bill. He said if he had it to do over again, he go back and work for a contractor. Personally, my recommendation is that you don't go only because if you dig this forum, then you probably won't dig the military or a war zone. Just a guess.

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Old_Gobbo · Joined: 19 Jan 2007 Posts: 569

I'm gonna need for you to re-evaluate the military very carefully.

Yeah...
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Gobbo..

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Devendra · Joined: 25 Jan 2005 Posts: 28 Location: North Puget Sound

From:

Army of None
Strategies to Counter Military Recruitment, End War and Build a Better World
Aimee Allison, David Solnit

Top military recruitment facts

1. Recruiters lie. According the New York Times, nearly one of five United States Army recruiters was under investigation in 2004 for offenses varying from "threats and coercion to false promises that applicants would not be sent to Iraq." One veteran recruiter told a reporter for the Albany Times Union, "I've been recruiting for years, and I don't know one recruiter who wasn't dishonest about it. I did it myself."

2. The military contract guarantees nothing. The Department of Defense's own enlistment/re-enlistment document states, "Laws and regulations that govern military personnel may change without notice to me. Such changes may affect my status, pay allowances, benefits and responsibilities as a member of the Armed Forces REGARDLESS of the provisions of this enlistment/re-enlistment document" (DD Form4/1, 1998, Sec.9.5b).

3. Advertised signing bonuses are bogus. Bonuses are often thought of as gifts, but they're not. They're like loans: If an enlistee leaves the military before his or her agreed term of service, he or she will be forced to repay the bonus. Besides, Army data shows that the top bonus of $20,000 was given to only 6 percent of the 47,7272 enlistees who signed up for active duty.

4. The military won't make you financially secure. Military members are no strangers to financial strain: 48 percent report having financial difficulty, approximately 33 percent of homeless men in the United States are veterans, and nearly 200,000 veterans are homeless on any given night.

5. Money for college ($71,424 in the bank?). If you expect the military to pay for college, better read the fine print. Among recruits who sign up for the Montgomery GI Bill, 65 percent receive no money for college, and only 15 percent ever receive a college degree. The maximum Montgomery GI Bill benefit is $37,224, and even this 37K is hard to get: To join, you must first put in a nonrefundable $1,200 deposit that has to be paid to the military during the first year of service. To receive the $37K, you must also be an active-duty member who has completed at least a three-year service agreement and is attending a four-year college full time. Benefits are significantly lower if you are going to school part-time or attending a two-year college. If you receive a less than honorable discharge (as one in four do), leave the military early (as one in three do), or later decide not to go to college, the military will keep your deposit and give you nothing. Note: The $71,424 advertised by the Army and $86,000 by the Navy includes benefits from the Amy or Navy College Fund, respectively. Fewer than 10 percent of all recruits earn money from the Army College Fund, which is specifically designed to lure recruits into hard-to-fill positions.

6. Job training. Vice President Dick Cheney once said, "The military is not a social welfare agency; it's not a jobs program." If you enlist, the military does not have to place you in your chosen career field or give you the specific training requested. Even if enlistees do receive training, it is often to develop skills that will not transfer to the civilian job market. (There aren't many jobs for M240 machine-gunners stateside.)

7. War, combat, and your contract. First off, if it's your first time enlisting, you're signing up for eight years. On top of that, the military can, without your consent, extend active-duty obligations during times of conflict, "national emergency," or when directed by the president. This means that even if an enlistee has two weeks left on his/ her contract (yes, even Guard/Reserve) or has already served in combat, she/he can still be sent to war. More than a dozen U.S. soldiers have challenged "stop-loss" measures like these in court so far, but people continue to be shipped off involuntarily. The military has called thousands up from Inactive Ready Reserve -- soldiers who have served, some for as long as a decade, and been discharged. The numbers: twice as many troops are fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan per year as during the Vietnam War. One-third of the troops who have gone to Iraq have gone more than once. The highest rate of first- time deployments belongs to the Marine Corps Reserve: almost 90 percent have fought.

AmbientSound · Joined: 07 May 2008 Posts: 243 Location: USA

For what it's worth, our Founding Fathers never intended for the United States to have a standing army. Each state was supposed to have its own militia. Of course, they don't teach you that in school, but in order for a standing army to be formed, there had to be a civil war- which is exactly what happened.

While it is important for a nation to have people who are willing to defend it, I feel that the use of our military might here in America has been very misused. And the information from the above-poster is correct, recruiters lie, you might not get the job you want, and you might well be sent off someplace you do not belong. You basically forfeit your rights when you join and become property of the government.

Truth is the first casualty of war.
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ZEN · Joined: 12 Aug 2009 Posts: 121

No from me too.

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Sensei · Site Admin Joined: 24 Jan 2005 Posts: 3082

Choosing the perceived easy way to a guaranteed paycheck

over the uncertain way that your heart points you, is called...

Moral Cowardice.

My suggestion is that you do not succumb to it.

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Roy · Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:25 pm Post subject:

No - You would be helping the NWO gain war profits.

I did six years 30 years ago. It doesn't matter if you are on a support ship, a weapons ship or you kill face to face, it will effect you. I still dream and hear the the silence of the dead 30 year later.

Fight the NWO, say NO! Don't support the NWO by saying yes.

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homad · Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 12:22 am Post subject:

Please don't good sir
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