NDE (near death Experience) Part 1

Tranquillity

I believe that a warrior might come into being due to having a NDE.
So let's raise our hands if you have had a NDE.

If I get any responses, you will subjected to part two, how has it changed you?

Feel free to give details and you will make Bird very happy

I will start with three. 1960, 1984 and 1988. I have seen heaven and hell.
I have drowned, drug OD'ed and alcohol OD'ed. How is that for a teaser?

Having or not having NDE's is not being viewed as positive or negative, just an interesting question.

[edit spelling 05-23-05]
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drew · Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 4:07 am Post subject:

Was conservative in my vote (1) given that it's not necessarily always easy to clearly define a situation as having constituted a NDE; sure, someone who ends up in the emergency room with injuries or illness and had to fight off death for a night or more, is obvious. But, what about someone who came away from an incident unscathed, but, had a piece of gravel flown the other way, or breaks not grabbed as well as they did, or liver not functioned as well in detoxing as it did, or reaction time been a split second slower, would not even be here to talk about these - do these also constitute NDE?

If yes, then I've had at least 5 or more such type of NDEs, all the result of my neglect and or abuse of life, all having occured in my late teens through early 30s, all of which I walked/waked from scratch-free, all of which did not immediately cause any positive change in my behavior. However, in the past 15 years, having looked back on this personal history, collectively, numerous times, in awe, left me with a feeling of having been the beneficiary of exceptional good fortune that I have since decided there was a reason for, one that I've since acted in a manner to not sqaunder, and has probably been a big influence on the present situation where I have become a little more 'grown up', as well as drug free, alcohol free, much more conservative and tolerant driver, and in general trying to be more genunine in enjoying each and every day for what it is worth depsite all the circumstances to be negative about.

Tranquillity · Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 4:39 am Post subject:

drew,
If you are lucky, only one is needed Smile

http://www.mindspring.com/~scottr/nde/faq.html has some info on NDE's. I don't know the person, but the FAQ is good. Look up IANDS on the net for a support group near you.
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Bird · Member Joined: 25 Jan 2005 Posts: 198 Location: Delmarva

Hay T, such a good thread here Very Happy

Mine was high fever on remote island off the coast of Maine in the middle of the night. I cried "Mother" where other people in the camp heard me but upon daybreak I was practically delerious. They raced me to a larger island and flew in a doc from Boston. This took two days. By that time I was gonzo and could not walk or do anything. They got me into a bathtub of cold water and bathed me with rubbing alcohol (ugh) to try to contain the fever (104.5 I am told). Meanwhile I was in a different land altogether. When the doc got to the island, he administered two heavy doses (I am told) of antiBs into my posterior on each side (the norm in those days). It took 3 days to become fully aware of my surroundings after that, but my caretakers were ecstatic that I was alive and pampered me in that environment coming out of the fever. They brought me fresh oranges and Gordon Bok tapes they played for me. I was still immobile. The weird part was that I later (in that same week) found out that at the exact time I had 'screamed' 'Mother', my mother had bolted upright in bed in the middle of the night and known that I was in danger at that time. I was in Maine, she in New Jersey. When the island doc called her, she already knew that at least something was wrong with me. It felt, at the time, like my last 'message' to her. A better warrior, absolutely. Oddly several months later I saved her from drowning in the Caribbean. Bird
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Paramatrix · Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 3:23 pm Post subject:

Makes me think, what is concidered to be an actual NDE? Since I have had plenty different experiences, of which few I suppose could be called 'NDE' in a sense.

But most of the experiences have been closer to Dream-time continuum, so that I have consciously departed from my physical adobe and a whole spectrum of realities have been available. My view on this is, that there is but one reality, which in turn has several, infinite that is, versions and aspects, worlds whatever you want to call them. The realm we enter while doing a NDE is often somewhere close to physical but the door is open to finer frequential dimensions as well, such as astral/mental plane, the elementary world etc. Of course it depends on if the individual gets there 'accidentally' or chooses so (the limit between these two may get quite blur at times since if all life is about consciousness, does 'accidentally' in the long run exist?).

So in a sense, the whole thing about reality is our intepreting and experiencing. Once we find our way out of the matrix of the limited self, the interdimensional infinite reality of eternal existence and life is perceived, and we recognise the original Self-consciousness, ie. God, so to say.

How does this relate to the topic? I am asking, what is to experience something at all? We create it, which makes it real. But there though is the scope of realities that go beyond our current understanding in their infinite nature. Nirvana, Heaven, wherever these refer to. Nirvana means something like 'to see the forest from the woods/trees' or 'come out of the forest'. 'Nir' is a negation, and 'vana' means forest, or something like this.

The reason, why 'the warrior may awake' during a NDE, is because something in our memories gets triggered, our exprience expands beyond the normal, taught-learnt dimensional window. We taste something more real in a sense. Restrictions are lessened, our senses work more effectively. If this experience is not belittled by outsiders, then we do not doubt the realness of what happened. But it takes the willingness to understand what mind is, to actually start working on these issues. Maybe not in terms I use, but on some level.

My point here, is to see into the reality beyond what we know as NDE, to discover its real nature. It has to do with knowing ourselves, because all experiencing comes to this question of what is that which seems to be or/and is? At least when it has to do with individual level (yet I am not saying something more was not 'out there' or 'with in'). These words always possess the tendency to makes things so complex. Please just realise what I mean! I do my best, isn't that enough!

For something most certainly is 'real', the REAL thing. We are somehow connected to it (or you may want to use more personal reference?). Something existential, that precedes our being here. Pre-existential, before everything....... can a word reach such a state of being? I understand so very well why many of the ways to find God or enlightenment use negated terms, such as nir-vana, descriptions such as 'maya'. Words only refer. Though that too, like everything, depends on the level of awareness. Which how we come back to where this started from; the NDE. Pretty long travel it took, eh?

Anyway this is how I close this data-thing.

Glorify the Source of All Life, and thus get glorified. Hare!
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The_Doctor · Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 3:47 pm Post subject:

hmm..
Grade 3 - pneumonia
Grade 7 - Car accident, car totalled all passengers walked away
Age 19-25 - 2 cars wrote off due to my stupidity (DUI), 1 black out drug OD.

Not sure if this qualifies, but have been stabbed with knife 2x by 2 ex-fiances who have a violent jealous rage streak.
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lk · Member Joined: 18 Mar 2005 Posts: 72 Location: la

My first NDE was when I was 16 and became the conduit between a sink of water and a live wire. I was frozen in place, like a statue, for the longest time until someone figured out what was happening and tackled me free. Even though I was unable to move, the mind keeps moving and is aware. It's only painful when the charge is broken and one flops about like a fish.

No. 2 was a head-on car crash where I left my body and while there was no white light or Jesus, I realized that there was no death of the mind (or soul) and that realization changed my sense of reality. I was above the car looking down on my unconscious body and knew that the body is just a temporary vehicle for the soul. I, obviously, returned to my body and walked away without a scratch although the car was totalled - everything was smashed except my seat!

No. 3 was a bout with viral mennegitis (sic). I was writing a college final when it hit me and became delirious, yet finished my paper. When I read it months later, it was a great paper - an "A". I have no recall of writing it. For over a week, when I came to consciousness from sleep, it felt like a 2 x 4 cracking me in the head. I learned to control my coming to full consciousness and could stay at near wakefulness - to avoid the 2 x 4! That taught me that I can control my thoughts and body more than I would have imagined. It also taught me that death is often merciful and can end great suffering.

For me, these experiences are, and have been, beneficial as death just seems to be a temporary condition. That knowledge frees one from a fear bondage. While I'm in no hurry to end this life, when it happens, it will be fine.

lk

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I don't know how to operate the voting.

BluBrick · Posted: Sun May 29, 2005 3:27 pm Post subject:

The sixties was my NDE. How or why I lived through it, I'll probably never know, but I think I was trying to kill myself with psychedelics. A well traveled road that I ended up going down again in the late nineties, like the fool that I am, with even more powerful but albeit 'natural' psychotropics, just to make sure that there was nothing down that road but Mckenna's alien other lurking beyond the veil.

The only thing I think I really learned was to think quantumly (if I can invent a word) about the big picture and to somehow act decisively (as opposed to meditation) so as not to drown in the quicksand of mediocrity, doubt and apathy that seems to be all around us now, about to engulf us. You could call it spiritual dogpaddling.

By process of elimination, gifting was the only thing left to do.

Blu

BluuBlox · Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 3:38 pm Post subject:

NDE is easy to define;
It's an OoBE from nearly Dieing;

It's not really good if you've have more than 0 (or maybe 1)...
Razz

Sovereign · Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 6:47 pm Post subject:

Well I had zero so far in this life. Can't remember the other lives.

Although had one Mystical experiance in 1980 equivalent to what people experiance in the mystery schools in their initiation which they take their intiates one level at a time that is each initiation allows the person eyes to be open so they can recieve the deeper mysteries to why we are here and what the divine is really all about and this too will destroy your conception of God as taught to you by your upbringing or religions you were involved in.

Although when I had the mystical experiance I did not belong to any mystery school but at the time was studying christianity. But nothing what I experianced had no compairsons in the Bible. I received divine energy within my sphere of being and it completly changed my outlook on myself and this divine presence which affected me emotionaly and turned me upside down and inside out. I believe people experiance an initiation when they die and come back since they witness something that completely destroys their concept of death and what their religions says about it.

Doug

Micah2oo4 · Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 10:46 pm Post subject:

2 that i know of for me

#1 probably 1990 (I was 5 and doctor OD'D me on something that cuased a lot of seizures, not sure of the age due to it wiping my memory, according to my parents i had to re-learn how to walk/talk/toilet/etc)

#2 Around 2002 I was electrocuted and i was about 17. My brain felt cooked.

emlong · Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 12:53 pm Post subject:

I ran into an old friend the other day who two years ago while doing a house inspection fell off a roof on his head and lay there in the back yard undiscovered for 21 hours during which time 2 angels came to visit him and comfort him. He also saw a heaven. He barely survived this and had extensive brain injury which has required lots and lots of high end therapy to overcome. Everyone says "he is not the same," but my own take is that he is a better person for it now - very plugged in to his spirituality now whereas pre -accident he was kind of an egotist. He was a strikingly handsome guy and knew it. Now that doesn't matter anymore. It is hard to be suave when you can't walk straight anymore and are constantly battling to find the right word to express yourself. but he is to me now a much more pleasant and interesting person who has his priorities lined up in a more essential way.

The "NDE" of course need not be a case of actual physical death. About ten years ago I went through a spiritual crisis compounded by extreme exhaustion from being a 24/7 professional woodworker surrounded by the EMF's of heavy machinery and fluorescent lights all day long. Basically, this was "killing" me, and what I went through felt like an NDE. Everybody goes through stuff like this sooner or later - sort of an NDE Lite. It may not be as sudden and shocking as a clinical NDE, but it can be almost as life shaking, and if you survive it you are a better person for it.
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PaliGap · Member Joined: 26 Jul 2010 Posts: 26

Shaman's go through a ritual death. Ever try salvia? Holy shit thats scary to not know anything. Kinda ties into an idea I picked up somewhere. The idea that the only real death is the death of the ego.

I was born technically dead. I had the umbilical cord wrapped 3x around my neck, and was not breathing. An emergency c-section birth. I sometimes joked that in the womb, I knew what was coming, and tried to hang myself. Its a bad joke though. Considering how some childbirth is difficult, and families do lose their child.

Ruth · Member Joined: 29 Mar 2010 Posts: 1564 Location: Oregon

My first was at 2 weeks old. PTSD from that one lasted for years, with nightmares and flashbacks. Second at 6 years. Permanent (so far) damage to right side of head, orbit of right eye, chronic sinus infections since. Third, OD in my early 20's. Multiple bouts w/ pneumonia, last one severe enough to cause loss of hair from high fever. Fever, if high enough and long enough, can cause effects similar to chemo. (no insurance, get well or die). Also years of asthma attacks, anaphlactic shock from antibiotics once.... Emergency surgeryfor hemoraging in 40's. Accute attacks of IBS/ Crones, going into shock. Lots. It would be hard to count exactly how many.

They all change you:

Life is fragile.
One moment can change your life forever.
Appreciate what you have while you have it.
Let your loved ones know you care every day- you may not have another chance.
Live one day at a time. Tomorrow is not guaranteed.
Don't put off the important things.
Figure out who you are, why you're here, and what's important to you, and don't compromise your integrity.
Do no harm if you can avoid it. Make your amends, forgive yourself and move on.
God uses imperfect people, because that's the only kind there are.
Dieing is just the other side of being born
Choices have consequences. You are not the exception to the rule.
All of us have had painful experiences. Don't wallow in them. Learn from them.
You and I are much stronger that we think we are.
This body dies, but I will go on.

Ruth